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No way to keep vault local....... Why????

Why have the powers that be decided that they should decide where browser password vaults should be kept for the end user? I did a refresh of my Windows PC, but before I did, I exported successfully my ID safe data. After getting the OS refresh done, I installed Norton with a 2012 version and then tried to do what I had done in the past 4 years and import my backup...... and it wouldn't do it. I then tried an older backup from a couple of years ago when I did my last Windows OS refresh and it wouldn't import it either even though it did a couple years back. Somebody clearly did something with the structure of the .dat backup file creation within the last couple years. Otherwise it would have at least taken the backup that had previously worked from a couple years back. This maneuver seems to clearly be a tactic to FORCE users into The Cloud. A cloud several people unfortunately believe is absolutely safe.

Why don't we ask the celebrities who believed that the icloud was safe cause Apple said so??? Not that it was smart to trust the idea of taking naked pics of ones self with a cell and think it would never get out. But hey, some folks will trust whatever anybody might tell them...... and then they end up with naked pics of themselves for the whole world to see instead of those they only intended.

Why do something with the backup export .dat to obliterate someone being able to use an old Norton installer(2012), import their .dat file, and THEN update Norton via live update to the latest version of their Norton software thus keeping their vault local? What is the obsession with this control of other peoples info by outside entities? I know the answer. Unfortunately others do not.

I don't do anything on my cell having to do with logging into anything so I don't need or want my ID safe in The Cloud. Using ones cell for anything past logging into FB is a huge problem that WILL unfortunately show itself in a big way. Throwing ones personal info around(and those in their contacts list) with a cell as so many do and thinking its safe is as naive as putting naked pictures of ones self into a floating 'so called' secure database and then being surprised when those pics end up all over the internet. Cellphones are privacy invasive and anyone who wants to argue otherwise is either, again, naive or the arguer WANTS information from peoples cellphones for a reason...... a reason that is not in the interest of the owner of the cellphone.

Is Norton going to change this? Am I going to have to stick with BitDefender after the trial I'm currently using comes to an end because they will allow me to keep my "wallet"(ID safe equivalent) local if I want? To go to the extent of updating Norton in some way so if one ever needed to re-install it, the backup will ONLY import if the person goes the way of The Cloud. Making it so there is no longer a workaround for a user to keep their ID Safe local reasonably makes one ask questions as to "why?".

Wow... I just referred to ID safe in a way that inferred it's mine to begin with(...user to keep their ID Safe...). It's not mine(or any users). It belongs to Norton ATM. Please tell me there is going to be a change. Please don't tell me my information isn't mine to keep it where I want, like it rightfully used to be.

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Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

Hello

If you previously had a Norton I D Safe and have certain files, there is a way. Have a read of this thread especially the posts by the user elsewhere.. You might be able to do it if you can follow those instructions.

https://community.norton.com/en/comment/6298061#comment-6298061

Thanks.

Success always occurs in private and failure in full view. Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Norton Core Security Plus 22.17.3.50 Core Firmware 282 I E 11 Chrome latest version.
Kudos0

Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

Thanks very much for pointing me to this thread. I did a search by obviously didn't use the proper search terms to find the thread you have pointed me to. I will try this ASAP and get back to you if I can get this to work. I fortunately have another PC using the same  ID Safe info that still maintains a local vault. Hopefully I can move this info and get this working. It's a shame that Norton decides what their end users should do no matter what the end user says otherwise. It's not good for business IMO.

Again, thanks for your reply and time. I will reply back once I see if I can get this to work.

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Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

Hi blubegone,

Just curious about the older file(s) you tried to Import. 

Back in the year 2011 version of Norton products, the Export of Vault data was done using the .npe format.  Once the 2012 version came out, the Export of Vault data was switched to .dat format, (although the .csv (text) format was available for both. 

The .npe format from the 2011 Product could not be Imported into the 2012 product.  That is why the word was pretty widely spread saying to Export both in .dat and .csv format.  The .csv format from the 2011 product could be imported in the 2012 product.  Thus perhaps you have a .csv formatted Export saved somewhere on your system. If so, you may desire to try to Import that.

Hopefully this background info will help you locate an Export that can be Imported.

FWIW, I am running NS Premium on a WIN 10 system and do in fact have both a Local and a Cloud Vault on this system and have had and retained it through the upgrade from WIN 7 to WIN 10.  There are other users who also have both Local and Cloud Vaults, but I have not heard of any problems Importing the current .dat format, nor the .csv format.

Kudos0

Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

It was a .dat file backup/export created in 2014. I had used that export to an import once before with no issue.

I haven't had an issue until just recently trying to import a backup I made prior to a Windows 7 fresh install that was done recently. I wanted to make use of the cumulative Win7 updates into a slipstream so there was only 50 needed updates instead of the 900 or so(sarc) that came out after SP1. Maybe that killed the import(sarc again, although......).

Glad you've been able to maintain both vaults if that is what you want. I hope I can use the files describe in the provided thread by floplot from the machine I'm currently on typing this from that is still maintaining a local vault. If it works I'll come back to report on it.

Thanks for the reply

Kudos0

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Please let us know.

I'm also in the process of setting up a new laptop for my wife.  I installed windows 7 SP1 and just did the big update rollup or whatever they call it. Took me an extra day to figure out that in between SP1 and the rollup you need to first apply another update.

But she would like to end up with a fully updated windows 7 system and Norton with a local vault.

I thought I saw a comment that the "local vault trick" no longer worked with version 22?

Dave

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@DaveH

I have not seen any comment in regards to the local vault trick not working with v22, but could have missed it.  I have not used the trick, nor gone back to v 2012 and started the local vault that way since I probably 2 years.  

As I posted to blubegone above, the .csv format Export should work - if available.  Any thoughts?

FWIW, in my case I have a Local and a Cloud Vault (which does auto .dat backups) - just curious what would happen if I attempted to do a Import of the current .dat formatted backup of the Cloud Vault into the Local Vault.  I might try that sometime in the future, as they do not sync and I am way behind on number of log-ins in my Local versus my Cloud Vault.

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Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

One thing I found using elsewhere's instructional thread is that you have to move the noted files BEFORE you try to open ID Safe. Otherwise, I had to reinstall Norton again to start fresh. 

And using the instructions there, you do not need to start with the 2012 version of Norton. You just install the latest version and start from there. I'm sure I have done this since having the 22 versions of Norton. 

If the contents of your ID Safe local vault on the second computer are different from the one you are trying to rebuild, once you get the local vault established using the procedure, you should be able to import the .dat file you created. You will have the option to overwrite the newly created vault.

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I thought I saw it mentioned that the trick didn't work or one of the recent 22.x updates got rid of the local vault.  The last time I tried it in a test it worked but that was a while ago.  Since I'm installing on windows 7 and the older versions work on it (unlike Windows 10).  I could just install an older version, create a local vault with a couple entries and then do an over the top install of version 22.  I did that before as well but it must have been with version 21, and I didn't need to even update or activate the older version, just install it and create the local vault running in trial mode.

I guess I'll just try it but I don't think I have time until Thursday, it's not an urgent system replacement this time. (for once).

Dave

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@DaveH

I followed the instructions(well somewhat).......... but had to re-follow them a second time and pay closer attention to a detail I missed. What I did was copy the files as instructed(from the link given above by @floplot ) from a different PC I have with a local vault still intact. BTW, when I clicked on the link above it loaded way down the page instead of the top where the instructions are. No problem with that though. I scrolled up.

Anyway...... I didn't pay close enough attention about NOT TRYING to open the ID Safe until I had fully updated N360, copied the files over, and turned Tamper Protection back on and THEN log off or restart. When I tried the 1st time with missing a couple of steps and then tried to login at the wrong time...... it claimed my password was incorrect. My second try I uninstalled Norton first and deleted all settings during uninstall and then reinstalled and followed every very specific detail in the instructions and not try to open the vault until all steps had been followed to the letter. Voila, community user(  @elsewhere  ) fixed an issue that the Norton gods have told their end users to go fly a kite on even though many apparently want the same thing your wife and I believe we should be able to have.

Thanks floplot , and of course the biggest one elsewhere . Thanks also @yank . Yank had some good input also in the thread linked to; along with others.

Follow the instructions closely and don't loose those local vault files for some reason, from wherever you're getting them from, and I believe one can be successful keeping their ID Safe vault local if that's what they want. Norton flat out doesn't care what we end users want.

One, IMO, needs to ask themselves why Norton is doing anything they can to get users ID safe vault into the cloud and also that they give/offer ID Safe for free on ones PC and other devices even if you don't use their security software. I would bet if someone installs ID Safe on their cell that could access a cloud ID vault....... check closely the terms one has to accept in order install their app. Don't just read the list that is visible that you must accept. Tap on each item in the visible list. I found out there is more specific info on what you're accepting on each item in the list when I tapped on each one when I started to install the Amazon Underground app late last year. That thing....... Amazon would have been so far up my backside they could speed bag my uvula from the back side and check out the back side of my teeth....... amongst many other things. My phone can't install apps now unless it has some extra work done to get back that functionality. This is not paranoia. It's reality. I don't like this reality as you can already see.

I don't get people handing over the privacy that they hand over when installing a great deal(probably most every one) of apps...... along with anyone who is in their contact list. I wish people didn't have me stored in their contact list. If one doesn't have the Amazon app, start the install and read the list you have to accept....... tap on each one for a popup window that has more details. Important details. It made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

Good luck saving your local vault. I was able to...... for now. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Norton creates an update that effectively kills this workaround in the near future.

Kudos0

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@DaveH

I followed the instructions(well somewhat).......... but had to re-follow them a second time and pay closer attention to a detail I missed. What I did was copy the files as instructed(from the link given above by @floplot ) from a different PC I have with a local vault still intact. BTW, when I clicked on the link above it loaded way down the page instead of the top where the instructions are. No problem with that though. I scrolled up.

Anyway...... I didn't pay close enough attention about NOT TRYING to open the ID Safe until I had fully updated N360, copied the files over, and turned Tamper Protection back on and THEN log off or restart. When I tried the 1st time with missing a couple of steps and then tried to login at the wrong time...... it claimed my password was incorrect. My second try I uninstalled Norton first and deleted all settings during uninstall and then reinstalled and followed every very specific detail in the instructions and not try to open the vault until all steps had been followed to the letter. Voila, community user(  @elsewhere  ) fixed an issue that the Norton gods have told their end users to go fly a kite on even though many apparently want the same thing your wife and I believe we should be able to have.

Thanks floplot , and of course the biggest one elsewhere . Thanks also @yank . Yank had some good input also in the thread linked to; along with others.

Follow the instructions closely and don't loose those local vault files for some reason, from wherever you're getting them from, and I believe one can be successful keeping their ID Safe vault local if that's what they want. Norton flat out doesn't care what we end users want.

One, IMO, needs to ask themselves why Norton is doing anything they can to get users ID safe vault into the cloud and also that they give/offer ID Safe for free on ones PC and other devices even if you don't use their security software. I would bet if someone installs ID Safe on their cell that could access a cloud ID vault....... check closely the terms one has to accept in order install their app. Don't just read the list that is visible that you must accept. Tap on each item in the visible list. I found out there is more specific info on what you're accepting on each item in the list when I tapped on each one when I started to install the Amazon Underground app late last year. That thing....... Amazon would have been so far up my backside they could speed bag my uvula from the back side and check out the back side of my teeth....... amongst many other things. My phone can't install apps now unless it has some extra work done to get back that functionality. This is not paranoia. It's reality. I don't like this reality as you can already see.

I don't get people handing over the privacy that they hand over when installing a great deal(probably most every one) of apps...... along with anyone who is in their contact list. I wish people didn't have me stored in their contact list. If one doesn't have the Amazon app, start the install and read the list you have to accept....... tap on each one for a popup window that has more details. Important details. It made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

Good luck saving your local vault. I was able to...... for now. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Norton creates an update in the near future that effectively kills this workaround.

Kudos0

Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

Can you clarify for Dave... When you reinstalled Norton, what version did you install? The old 2012, or the latest 22.x.x.x version?

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Kudos0

Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

Not a problem @peterweb . Sorry I didn't clarify.

@DaveH

I used "N360-ESD-22.7.1.32-EN" that was downloaded with the 360 downloader. I didn't go the 2012 route since, when reading the instructions from the workaround thread, that it didn't seem to make a difference one way or the other as I didn't see that as a requirement. The instructions said one needed to have their Norton product fully updated before copying the files over. The only requirement I took from the instructions was that the end user had to have a local vault source/files to get the workaround to have any chance of working. I fortunately had that source still on another PC that did go the 2012 route when it was done a while back.

Bottom line: I installed Norton 360 from a 22.xxxx installer and did the workaround and I have my local vault.   

The info provided by site Gurus gave me a solution to my issue. I'd like to leave it to you guys if you want to close the thread. I'll check back for a couple of days(more if needed) if there are anymore questions anyone may have for me. I'd love to be able to help if I can.

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Thank you very much for your detailed post and instructions, I appreciate you taking the time to do that.

Peter, currently I'm still running NIS 2013 on my main windows 7 systems. I had version 22 on one of them for a while but ended up going back because of some problem I was having.  That was when version 22 just came out.

However I must have done about 20-30 installs on my test system a while back and some of those installs were for trying to figure out the local vault.  The easiest way I found was to install NIS 2012, create a few entries in the local vault and then do an "over the top" installation of version 21 or 22 to preserve the local vault.

My main intent was trying to figure out how to install Norton with a local vault on Windows 10 since that operating system could not install the older versions like you can on Windows 7.

So I remember making a local vault on the older version just like before and made a local vault with a couple fake entries and used the word "password" for the password.  Then I saved the necessary files and sent them to someone here at the forum along with the instructions by (I think) the user elsewhere.  I had already tested it several times and it worked, you could put those files where they belong and end up with a local vault on a clean install of windows 10. When you first started Norton you could open the local vault, change the password and after saving a couple entries delete the fake ones I put in as placeholders.

I can't find what I did with those files, it was quite some time ago back when windows 10 first came out.  But I thought a recent update forced the local vault into the clouds, I'm glad I was wrong.

Just yesterday I could not sign into my Norton account, I tried 2 systems and 4 browsers and the sign in page just had the circle spin around for hours and I could not sign in.  If something like that happened with the online identity safe I would not be happy.

I also want a local vault because you don't need to be online to access it.  One time I was out of town and someone at work needed a very important password and I was able to get it without having to get online.  (from the side of a road with my laptop).

I also don't think it's anyones business being able to create a detailed profile of me.  I'm not saying that is being done, but by tracking the requests (not passwords) from the cloud someone could build a very detailed profile of a person by the sites they visit, especially the sensitive ones like banks, credit cards, insurance, mortgage lenders, all the places you shop, etc.

Dave

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Someone had a problem with a clean install of 22.8 as it did not have the IdentitySafeDataStore folder which is where the IDDStor2.dat file belongs.

The last clean install I did was 22.5. I see bluebegone used 22.7 and it worked.

When I heard about the 22.8 problem I downloaded a copy of 22.7 just incase.

Did anyone do a clean install of the latest 22.8 or 22.9 and see if it has the IdentitySafeDataStore folder?

Jim

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Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

Hello blubegone

The thread creator is the one who is supposed to mark the thread solved when it is solved. No one else can do it other than a Forum Admin.

Thanks.

Success always occurs in private and failure in full view. Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Norton Core Security Plus 22.17.3.50 Core Firmware 282 I E 11 Chrome latest version.
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@PhoneMan

No replies to your question unfortunately. Any chance your question has been asked and answered someplace else? The thread about how to retain ones local vault is closed. IMO, that would be the place to discuss this..... unless there is a new thread someplace else. I had decided I would give it a shot and see if the workaround could be done on 22.9 but I see one can't download a 22.9 installer anymore.

Any ideas/thoughts.

Kudos0

Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

If you download the NS installer from     www.norton.com/latestns   That should get you the 22.8.x.x. version.

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Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

Hello

The 22.9.0.71 installer should be out soon. It's back on the download servers.

Thanks.

Success always occurs in private and failure in full view. Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Norton Core Security Plus 22.17.3.50 Core Firmware 282 I E 11 Chrome latest version.
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@peterweb

You link for latest NS has a funny ending and does not take you directly to the download:

http://www.norton.com/latestns%C2%A0

Removing the %CF2%A0 will provide the download for  22.8! 

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@yank

I just tried the link from the post above and it worked as I anticipated. Not sure how you get the additional characters after the link. They do not show up if I hover over the link in Chrome.

Things happen. Export/Backup your Norton Password Manager data.
Kudos0

Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

Hello peterweb

When I hover over your link with IE 11, I see that odd ending also like yank says. When I clicked on the link, it takes me to the link that bjm shows.

www.norton.com/latestns

Thanks.

Success always occurs in private and failure in full view. Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Norton Core Security Plus 22.17.3.50 Core Firmware 282 I E 11 Chrome latest version.
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Re: No way to keep vault local....... Why????

Interesting that the same link in different browsers shows differently and goes to different sites.

In Chrome, my link shows no extra characters when I hover over the link, but clicking on the link goes to   https://ca.norton.com/

In IE,  the link adds %C2%A0 and clicking on it also goes to    https://ca.norton.com/

In FF, the link only adds %A0 and goes to    https://us.norton.com/

I just created the same link in Sandbox with Chrome (same as last time), and it seems to look and work correctly in all browsers.

????????????????

Another forum mystery.

EDIT

And although when I posted above that the original link worked for me, ( it did when I posted ) but now it does not. I did clear the  Chrome cache between attempts, so it is possible there was something with my system.

Things happen. Export/Backup your Norton Password Manager data.
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bhlubegone, sorry I took this thread off topic - but it is an interesting mystery.

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Hello

  A Blond Moment

Thanks.

Success always occurs in private and failure in full view. Windows 10 Pro 64 bit Norton Core Security Plus 22.17.3.50 Core Firmware 282 I E 11 Chrome latest version.
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@yank  

You didn't take the thread off topic...... IMO anyway. This is about keeping a local vault. A reasonable question is if the last two releases can use the workaround to maintain ones local vault.

My emoticons were to say...... well the first one is w*f, to sad, to mad because of nobody being able to get 22.9 to test. I'm not blaming anyone on this forum for that. You Gurus helped me out. My curiosity is if the Norton gods have actually done what I said in an earlier post........ made it to where the end user can not use the workaround to keep their vault local. Norton already clearly despises their customers.

Norton used to run their software for free after rebate all the time. About 3 or more years ago they stopped. Interestingly they have started up again on Black Friday and increased the offers frequency since then quite a bit. End users seeing Norton as pre 2009??? And Norton is realizing it??? Gotta get back to the FAR?

BTW, I tried installing the ID Safe for android. The stuff one must agree to isn't as bad as Amazon Underground is, but I still wouldn't give up what they want. They want to keep track of who I talk to. I don't think so.

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BTW, I tried installing the ID Safe for android. The stuff one must agree to isn't as bad as Amazon Underground is, but I still wouldn't give up what they want. They want to keep track of who I talk to. I don't think so.

Are you referring to the permissions to access your contacts? This information is used locally by the app to help with the call blocking feature. I do not think any personal information is sent out of the device.

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