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Hi guys, if you go to youtube.com, and watch the tech support scams they ALL have one thing in common, no matter if your using the paid, or free version of security software from you computers, and network the scammers are telling you they are unsafe., and then for people requesting better security software from the tech support agent (SCAMMER) he/she is directing people to Webroot's computer security product. I find this highly strange seeing that *I* know Webroot's product is inferior to Norton Security, I alpha/beta test both security product, as well as other security products. Personally I think Symantec/Norton needs to get a couple of their agents over to youtube.com, and watch those scammer videos. I think this is actually a scare tactic that Webroot is using to steal business from other security product sellers.

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And another strange thing happened to me today on Facebook.com, I had gotten a warning from my MalwareBytes that my Norton Security was under attack by I.P. Address 66.220.159.255, then looking up that I.P. Address, the ownership to it is Facebook.com.
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Also another scare tactic the scammers use is they go into MS Windows notifications and show you that you don't have any security software on your computers, EVEN though you do. The actual reason Microsoft Windows reports it that way, is due to you buying it from another source other than the Windows store.
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Michael Lonewolf:
I think this is actually a scare tactic that Webroot is using to steal business from other security product sellers.

example? 
source?

Kudos0

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Example: Facebook videos about these tech support scammers, The very videos themselves showing this.

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As WELL as why are they telling their victims that Webroot is a better product, as a beta tester for both Norton, and Webroot, Norton Security is more of a quality product, it is a true work-horse to keep your computer(s) & network SAFE! 

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Michael Lonewolf:

Example: Facebook videos about these tech support scammers, The very videos themselves showing this.links

examples?

source? 

links? 

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I am using personal experience, as well as videos on YouTube, just go take a look at tech support scams on youtube.com, and you will see what I am talking about.

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And LET me ask you bjm, why do you suppose Facebook would ban an account calling it spam because someone is showing the usefulness of the proper way to use the MSDOS command netstat?  HERE is the actual post, and see if you consider it spam. (I have a new one for you to defeat those scammers, BUT this has to be done  with an elevated DOS prompt, and to get to the elevated DOS prompt, just use search for cmd, once you find it, DO NOT left click on it with your mouse, instead right click on it, and choose to run as administrator, once it has opened, clear it by typing cd..  then enter, and once again cd.. & enter till you are at the root C:> once there you are going to type in netstat -b,
 then press enter. NOW all those mysterious foreign I.P. address will tell you who they are. Now IF you find one you have no clue who it is, you type in at the C:/> netstat -o then press enter, now on that screen you will see a new listing  that is called PID, and you will see numbers under it, now from the notes you made of 
they mysterious name you found under the ownership of the I.P. address in this screen you will find the PID number associated with it, and you can KILL it by using the command taskkill /F /PID and that PID # of that I.P. address, and press enter. NOW whatever/whoever that foreign I.P. Address belongs too just was killed off of your network/computer. Have fun guys trying it out, and lets make those scammers cry. Scammers you've meet your match. Also running netstat -b will tell you what PID# syskey 
is on incase they have syskey'd you).  

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Michael Lonewolf:

I am using personal experience, as well as videos on YouTube, just go take a look at tech support scams on youtube.com, and you will see what I am talking about.

Okay, I googled "tech support scams on youtube.com". 

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Please give the moderators examples of what youtube video or links you are given

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bjm? Why would you need to google them for, just go to youtube.com and watch/read them. And as for examples why waste time posting them here for? You can enter YouTube.com and they pop up, there are lots of people like yourself there bjm battling these scammers. I, myself put up a Windows DOS command up on Facebook, only to see it taken down, and called spam, and with everything that MS Windows tech support, & I talked about concerning that post being taken down they are looking at facebook.com's tech support as a person/people of interest. 

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Norton itself is a scam. 

check my thread

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concernedcitizen, I happen to be a alpha/beta testers of Norton's fine product line since before Symantec took the product over from Dr. Peter Norton, and I still am a alpha/beta tester today! There is NOT another product on the market today that can stand toe to toe with Norton's! And here is some EXCELLENT proof of that, these screw ball IRS, and Tech Support scammers are trying to get Norton's off of their victims computers, and have them put webroot onto their computers instead. Being a former law enforcement officer, this strikes me as webroot might have some involvement, BUT that is subjective seeing that the scammers are the ones wanting you to remove your Norton Security, and replace it with webroot.

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Michael Lonewolf:
Personally I think Symantec/Norton needs to get a couple of their agents over to youtube.com, and watch those scammer videos. I think this is actually a scare tactic that Webroot is using to steal business from other security product sellers.

I'll watch videos when you post link(s) to "those scammer videos".   

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bjm, I am NOT here to cater to you, if you are unwilling, or cannot use a computer to get information required to protect yourself, that is on YOU! Here is something ELSE I find interesting, when running netstat -b in a MSDOS window/box I am getting msn network on quite a few I.P. Addresses after doing a tracert on them. AND the funny thing is, when running netstat -o on those same address in Administer mode, you cannot kill their PID #s, and according to Microsoft support to be transferred over to MSN support, you have to pay for a membership fee to EVEN have MSN.  Otherwise MSN support doesn't talk to you. And asking MS Tech Support why MSN is trying to connect to me seeing as I don't have a MSN membership, Microsoft  Tech Support just tells me, I would have to contact MSN support.

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Michael Lonewolf:
[..] and then for people requesting better security software from the tech support agent (SCAMMER) he/she is directing people to Webroot's computer security product. [..] I think this is actually a scare tactic that Webroot is using to steal business from other security product sellers.

 I hear ya'.
Regards w Respect

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Just a casual observer to this thread, but it seems @Michael Lonewolf is spending more time writing his posts than the time it would take to just post the links. I always thought the whole point of this forum was to help people. Oh well, I guess I just left myself open for him to make a snide remark about me. 

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phxflyer, I'm a poster, not a researcher. I give the rudimental steps, and information so that researchers have a jump off point to verify, and if you JUST enter youtube.com tons of the very type posts will jump off the page at you, and I personally find it stupid to repost links that one can JUST go to the website (www.youtube.com) on their own and view. Anyways that WASN"T the gist of my posting, my posting is on WAYS to stop the scammers using old MS-DOS command structure such as WHAT the spammers try to use. *EXAMPLE* the netstat command, which is QUITE powerful if you know how to use it! They claim that the foreign I.P. addresses are hackers. So to find out if this is true all one would need to do is use the netstat command with the -b extension (netstat -b), AND if you want to see what ALL the IP addresses that are on your connection, just use the netstat -o command. Altho you would have to use an elevated command prompt, and to get that just click on the 4 white square white flag, then go down the list to Window systems, click on the drop down arrow, and you will see the command prompt, DON'T left click on it, go ahead and right click on it, and you will see a sub-menu and from that menu left click on Run as Administrator, when the MSDOS  box comes up, clear it to the c:> by doing cd .. , and press Enter, do it 2 times. THEN you will have the FULL power of the Netstat command, and start kicking off connections that have no reason to be on there with the command taskkill /f /pid and the corresponding PID #. What these scammers are doing is using MSDOS against their victims because they are going with the theory that all people today just like to use their computer mouse. And for the others that are reading this, might be a good idea that you take a couple of classes on  DOS (MSDOS, PCDOS, & Linux DOS) so that you can get a ACTUAL understanding of how your Windows (8, 8.1, & 10) operating systems work. And for anyone that is reading this that live in Taylor Co. in Kentucky you can come down and take my computer technology classes at Campbellsville University. 

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And for anyone that is reading this that live in Taylor Co. in Kentucky you can come down and take my computer technology classes at Campbellsville University. 

I trust they're free, otherwise that's looking suspiciously like an ad..............

Windows 10 Home X 64
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F 4 E correct the workshop is. BUT there is nothing wrong with a person furthering their education either. And for it to be an ad, I would have to get paid by the university for it, and I get zero amount for that post.  It was a subliminal message for young adults to continue/further their education.  

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Subliminal------------ below the threshold of sensation or consciousness; perceived by or affecting someone's mind without their being aware of it

Windows 10 Home X 64
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Correct F4E, and it did indeed have that effect on you, when you believed that I was indeed trying to post advertisements for Campbellsville University. Which wasn't the case. Anyways back to the scammers. Has anyone else noticed these India Indians that work tech support for Facebook are heightening their attacks? When I use the netstat -b command I am getting more than double the number of web browser showing up on Netstat, and when I run the tracert command, those I.P. addresses are coming from Facebook, and they are Facebook, India and Pakistan.

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NOW let me ASK why would a wholly owned U.S. base business (Facebook) need to have tech support located in other countries? I can bet a million dollars that there are people that speak Hindi right here living in the USA.

Kudos0

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Got a couple more for you that are within Facebook, and they are support-my-pc.com, IP address 162.241.148.243 &  ocsp.usertrust.com, IP address 40.136.60.65! I don't care what Microsoft says, Windows 10 is just eye candy, and MSDOS is the REAL work-horse!  And Microsoft is going to lose tons of customers if what their support says is true, and Microsoft completely removes MSDOS.

Kudos0

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Not gonna lie, i actually found this thread fascinating and have added it to the knowledge i already had concerning dos.  I employed both netstat commands and discovered an inactive IP for CrunchyRoll residing, however, once visiting the site (while the DOS prompt was still up) saw the IP quickly become active (laughs)  Since it is CR, i guess i won't necessarily kill it off, at least for now. 

If i had the resources (and was in the Kentucky area) i would have absolutely no problems with taking your course - - even if you charged for it. 

Michael, are you familiar with copycon? 

Sincerely,

H.B.   

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Copycon is an MS-DOS and Windows command line command that allows the creation of a file through the command line HB. And it is quite easy to remove those suspicious I.P. address employing the netstat -o command to find the PID # associated with it, and then just using the command taskkill /f /pid and the pid #. *example: taskkill /f /pid 28*, and to use that command you need to be at an elevated level, so what you want to do to get the correct usage ability out of  MSDOS so, if you have the 4 white square start button  (Windows 8, 10), normal start button all other versions of Windows, click on it, then navigate to Windows systems, click on the drop-down arrow, you will see MSDOS prompt, right click your mouse on that, then select "Run as Administrator", once open then type into the MSDOS box cd.., then press enter, and do it again till all you see is c:/> then you will be able to use taskkill command.

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One good thing I have to say about these scammers, they are forcing us to use our brains again to battle them, I seriously wonder how many people in the last decade even thought about using MS-DOS?

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A couple other things you can do as well, if you find an I.P. Address, and not sure of the ownership just do a nslookup  on that I.P. address and if it comes back with "Cannot Obtain Ownership" it is time to boot that I.P. address off of your system with the taskkill command. Also it would be a good idea to tracert some mysterious I.P. address: tracert 192.168.1.1 *example of usage*.    

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On IBM 286, loved using the COPYCON to make the cursor magically disappear!  That would frustrate the heck out of people back when (Hearty Laugh) ;-D

Hoping that this post finds you well,

Regards,

H.B.

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Lets get a report in from you guys, are you using the netstat command with the -b to see who owns that I.P., and the -o so that you can get the PID # to kick the idiot(s) off of your connection?

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Now these idiots are claiming that Norton Secure, as well as the older Norton's products contain a trojan. That is laughable! I think being a beta tester for Symantec/Norton's for almost 2 decades I would of noticed any trojans within their fine product line.

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And it really actually knowledge in the battle to end the scammer threat(s)!

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