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Kudos0

What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Hi everyone, I'm new to the community!

Having read many threads in this forum, I still do not quite understand the main differences between NIS and NS. I know this may sound a bit silly, but it is a fact of life for me. Currently, I am running the latest revision of NIS on two Windows XP3 and 7 systems with good results.

Right now I just don't have the time to uninstall NIS and install the NS trial to do my own investigation. There have been posts in many threads by people who are unsure of what they are saying but post anyway. Your telephone Technical Support is also somewhat inconsistent in this respect.

If a Senior level guru can help "clear the air," and answer some additional questions, it would be much appreciated.

It's a great product.

Thanks in advance!

Earthnet

"Every day is just another increment on the bell curve of life."

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Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Hello Earthnet. This article will show you the features of each product presently offered.

https://support.norton.com/sp/en/us/home/current/solutions/v121079189_EndUserProfile_en_us

Please keep in mind that your older XP machines will now have limited services per this posting: https://community.norton.com/en/forums/norton-maintenance-mode-windows-xp-and-windows-vista

Cheers

"From DOS to Windows10 what a journey it has been" / MS Certified Professional / Windows 10 Professional x 64 version 1809 / build 17763.529 / N360 Deluxe 22.17.1.50 / Norton Core v.282 on Android 1.98
Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Hi SoulAsylum: I appreciate your response but the first KB article is more NS based, than a comparison between NIS and NS. Okay, let me ask my questions another way... What would NS give me in terms of configuration flexibility than NIS? I need some solid reasons to upgrade. Is the detection process better in NS? Customization? Is the NS product more lightweight and robust? Forget about the Backup facility. I'm more interested in the internals. How would my Windows 7 systems benefit from NS versus NIS? Thanks, Earthnet :)
"Every day is just another increment on the bell curve of life."
Kudos1 Stats

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

First off Norton Security (NS) is a replacement for Norton Internet Security (NIS) as it is no longer offered. NS Basic doesn't have a built in firewall so you'd be dependent of your OS for those functions. Given you are still using Windows 7 premium protection is a must and it offers just that. Premium offers a lot more configurations and utilities, such as backup which can be disabled through the GUI. ALL Norton products are now lightweight installs with a lot of the older legacy interfaces removed such as network graphing, etc. All are now cloud based with regards to updates, detection, identity safe data storage. Highly configurable and more creature features are coming. Here is a hint from the EAP (early adopter program thread)

Cheers

"From DOS to Windows10 what a journey it has been" / MS Certified Professional / Windows 10 Professional x 64 version 1809 / build 17763.529 / N360 Deluxe 22.17.1.50 / Norton Core v.282 on Android 1.98
Kudos2 Stats

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Hi Earthnet:

All  v22.x products have the same detection engines and use the same virus and security definitions.  Depending on where you purchase your product and how many installation seats your license allows, the main differences are typically as follows:

  • Older product lines like Norton AntiVirus (NAV), Norton Internet Security (NIS), Norton 360 (N360) and Norton 360 Premium (N360P) can be installed on up to 3 Windows PCs
  • Norton Security (NS) Deluxe can be installed on up to 5 devices (Windows, Mac, Android and iOS)
  • Norton Security (NS) Premium can be installed on up to 10 devices (Windows, Mac, Android and iOS) and includes an online backup feature with 25 GB free storage

Your current NIS product comes with the Norton Smart Firewall but does not include Norton Backup, so the Norton Security Deluxe product shown in the comparison chart at https://support.norton.com/sp/en/us/home/current/solutions/v121079189_EndUserProfile_en_us that SoulAsylum recommended would have similar features. The biggest advantage of using one of the newer Norton Security (Basic, Standard, Deluxe or Premium) products is that they are multi-device, meaning that your license allows you to install Norton on Mac, Android and iOS devices in addition to Windows PCs.

I had NIS v22.x and would purchase a retail box of NS Deluxe or NS Premium (which ever was on sale) at my local Staples store and then use the product key to renew my NIS subscription a day or so before it expired. My NIS installation was corrupted last year during a product update, and rather than perform a clean re-install of NIS v22.x I decided to make the switch to NS Premium v22.x since I already had a spare product key on hand.
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32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2 * Firefox ESR v52.7.3 * NS Premium v22.12.1.15 * MB v3.3.1

Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Excellent responses, thanks!

Now one last question...

If I went to NS (Standard or Deluxe - with Firewall)  can I carry over my days from the remaining NIS subscription?

Don't wish to lose that, if at all possible.

BTW - kindly provide the download links for NS Standard and Deluxe.

Again, thanks!

EN :)

"Every day is just another increment on the bell curve of life."
Kudos1 Stats

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Just contact support, they should be able and willing to xfer remaining days to a new subscription.

http://norton.com/chat

https://norton.com/latestnis or https://us.norton.com/products

Cheers

"From DOS to Windows10 what a journey it has been" / MS Certified Professional / Windows 10 Professional x 64 version 1809 / build 17763.529 / N360 Deluxe 22.17.1.50 / Norton Core v.282 on Android 1.98
Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

I have a year of NS with backup, purchased at Costco.

How many devices would this support and is it Standard or Deluxe?

Thanks.

"Every day is just another increment on the bell curve of life."
Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

NS Deluxe supports 5 devices. My NSBU supports 10 devices and originally was purchased at B.J.'s

Cheers

"From DOS to Windows10 what a journey it has been" / MS Certified Professional / Windows 10 Professional x 64 version 1809 / build 17763.529 / N360 Deluxe 22.17.1.50 / Norton Core v.282 on Android 1.98
Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

I think that the NS with Backup has a similar license as the one you purchased through B.J.'s.

I'll verify the product key with Customer Service. Thanks to all!

EN :)

"Every day is just another increment on the bell curve of life."
Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

You are most welcome. Glad we could assist.

Cheers

"From DOS to Windows10 what a journey it has been" / MS Certified Professional / Windows 10 Professional x 64 version 1809 / build 17763.529 / N360 Deluxe 22.17.1.50 / Norton Core v.282 on Android 1.98
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Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Earthnet:

I have a year of NS with backup, purchased at Costco.  How many devices would this support and is it Standard or Deluxe?

Hi Earthnet:

Just some additional information:

Norton Security Premium was originally called Norton Security with Backup (NSBU) when it was first released in September 2014 so you likely have the Premium edition. NS Premium is normally sold with a 10-device license but I have a 5-device license and there are retailers that offer 1-, 2-, 3-, 5- and 10-device licenses.  If you haven't installed NS yet contact Norton Customer Support via Live Chat at https://www.norton.com/chat and they should be able to tell you how many available installation seats you have if you provide them with the 25-character product key.  Once you install and activate NS with your product key then the Subscriptions tab of your Norton Account at https://my.norton.com/account/subscriptions should have that information.

Generic download links for the latest available offline installers for most supported Norton products are posted in JohnMV's thread Computer is frozen after latest update.  Note that these offline installers are for current customers who already have a valid product key they can use to activate the installed product.  The Subscriptions tab of your Norton Account at https://my.norton.com/account/subscriptions also has a yellow Download button that will automatically install any Norton product you have purchased that has an active subscription.  See the support article Download Norton on Your Device for more information.

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32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2 * Firefox ESR v52.7.3 * NS Premium v22.12.1.15 * MB v3.3.1

Kudos2 Stats

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

The 22.12 product update introduced Single Layout.  NIS and NS are essentially the same thing.  Under the Single Layout, if you use an NS product key to activate your current NIS product, it should morph to NS automatically, following a restart, without the need to uninstall or reinstall anything.  If you use any new product key to renew your subscription, you will lose the time remaining on the old subscription.  You should either wait until a day or two before your existing subscription expires, or renew now and contact customer support to reinstate the time you had remaining and add it to the new subscription period.  Bottom line though, is that if you use an NS key on your current product, you will end up with a product that is branded NS.

Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

SendOfJive:

The 22.12 product update introduced Single Layout.  NIS and NS are essentially the same thing.  Under the Single Layout, if you use an NS product key to activate your current NIS product, it should morph to NS automatically, following a restart, without the need to uninstall or reinstall anything....

Hi SendOfJive:

Thanks for that information.  I didn't realize the new Single Layout feature would automatically perform the upgrade to NS if the user renews their subscription at Help | Account Information | Enter Product Key with an NS product key.

If someone renews NIS (no backup) with a NS Premium (with backup) product key, is the online backup feature automatically activated?  For example, does the latest NIS v22.12.1.15 interface with the Single Layout feature include configuration settings at Settings | Detailed Settings | Backup Settings that are inactive / disabled until the user activates this feature with a Premium key?
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32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2 * Firefox ESR v52.7.3 * NS Premium v22.12.1.15 * MB v3.3.1

Kudos1 Stats

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Hi lmacri,

My understanding of Single Layout is that the flavor of the product key you use to renew determines the flavor of the product you end up with.  Essentially, the single layout is provisioned to provide whatever product features you are eligible to have based on the product key you purchase.  In the case of backup, for example, a new product key will either retain your existing backup feature, upgrade you to a product with backup, or downgrade you to a product without backup, depending on whether the key you use is for a product that includes backup or not.  The idea is that you no longer have to uninstall/reinstall if you decide to change products, you simply need to purchase the product you want and use the product key to activate.

Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Just wanted to acknowledge that I have read the additional posts. 

Of course, this brings another question to the table. Does NS have local definitions like NIS or is it all cloud based?

If NS has only cloud based definitions, I could foresee some potential security problems if I am off the internet.

Thanks!

"Every day is just another increment on the bell curve of life."
Kudos1 Stats

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Earthnet:

Of course, this brings another question to the table. Does NS have local definitions like NIS or is it all cloud based?

Hi Earthnet:

All Norton v22.x products (including NIS v22.x and NS v22.x) have both, although I believe the local definition set named SDS Definitions is relatively smaller (i.e., it includes a subset of definitions for the most prevalent / recently active threats) than the old Virus Definitions set that came with the older Norton products where cloud-based scanning was limited.

If you are currently using the latest NIS v22.12.x the product features, scan engines and definition sets are essentially identical to Norton Security Deluxe, including cloud-based detection.  The main difference between those two products is the subscription license as noted <here>  (i.e., installation on Windows PCs only for NIS; Windows, Mac, Android and iOS for multi-device Norton Security).

The only difference in features between the latest NIS v22.12.x and the NS Premium v22.12.x you purchased (a.k.a. Norton Security with Backup) is that NS Premium includes Norton Backup.

As SoulAsylum mentioned <here>, your biggest concern at the moment is likely that Norton is discontinuing product updates (e.g., from v22.12.x .x to v22.13.x) for your XP machines in June 2018 as described in the recent announcement Norton Maintenance Mode for Windows XP and Windows Vista.  However, your XP machines will continue to receive the latest malware definition sets and vulnerability protection updates via daily Automatic LiveUpdates after June 2018.
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32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2 * Firefox ESR v52.7.3 * NS Premium v22.12.1.15 * MB v3.3.1

Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Hello lmacri:

Your post is very interesting. I have one Win 7 and 2 XP3 boxes running the latest build of NIS and noticed that the detection notification is slower than the previous, non-22.x releases. Do you see the same thing? It's not going to matter since I will be migrating the Win 7 box to NSBU in a few weeks, with the remaining XP3 boxes to be decommissioned thereafter.

However, if you could be so kind as to confirm your comment, namely:

"All Norton v22.x products (including NIS v22.x and NS v22.x) have both, although I believe the local definition set named SDS Definitions is relatively smaller (i.e., it includes a subset of definitions for the most prevalent / recently active threats) than the old Virus Definitions set that came with the older Norton products where cloud-based scanning was limited."

Almost there, lol. Just want to understand how (and what) definitions are stored in the current NIS versus the NS product.

Many thanks!

"Every day is just another increment on the bell curve of life."
Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Hi Earthnet:

The 23-Jun-2016 product update announcement Introducing Symantec Data Scanner (SDS) Technology has some details on the technical aspects of this "faster and smarter protection" and states "SDS is shipped with the latest release of Norton Security v22.7 products (including NS, NIS, N360, and NAV) on Windows platform.".

If you want to confirm that your current NIS v22.12.1.15 product uses this SDS technology, go to Security | History in the main Norton interface, choose LiveUpdate from the Show dropdown box and then double-click on a few recent entries for your LiveUpdate sessions.  When you expand the Total Updates Applied section do you see any recent entries for the local Norton SDS Definitions?

I personally don't care how quickly notifications are popping up in my system tray as long as my Norton real-time protection continues to detect / block malware before it infects my system.  I assume Norton v22.x products are optimized for newer OSs like 64-bit Win 10, so the speed of the notifications on my system probably has more to do with my older hardware and 32-bit Vista SP2 OS than anything else.
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32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2 * Firefox ESR v52.7.3 * NS Premium v22.12.1.15 * MB v3.3.1

Kudos1 Stats

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

All products were updated two years ago to use SDS definitions, as lmacri said.  So all products are the same in regards to virus definitions.

Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Hi again, lmacri:

I verified that my Windows 7 and XP3 boxes have these (SDS) Symantec Data Scanner updates.

Here is a snapshot...

 

However, I still don't understand which definitions are local and those that go up to the cloud (if any). Could you please clarify the process for me, especially that the current NIS an NS are playing on the same level? I believe that I'm good on everything else at this time. As for the detection notification speed, It is not really a big concern. Like you said, as long as the threats are intercepted in time.

Thank you,

Earthnet

"Every day is just another increment on the bell curve of life."
Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Hi Earthnet:

No, that's as expected since you should already be using the new SDS scanning technology if you have any Norton v22.12.1.15 product, whether it's NS, NIS, N360 or NAV.

If you're concerned about the comment I made about the smaller size of the local SDS definitions, the old "traditional" method of malware detection compares the digital signature (i.e., the SHA-256 hash or unique digital fingerprint) of unknown / untrusted files on your system with the SHA-256 hashes of known, blacklisted malware that is stored in a local database (i.e., the "virus" definition set).  There are so many new malware variants being released into the wild every day now that modern scan engines rely much more heavily on real-time heuristic (behaviour-based) detections where suspicious / malicious files are often identified by their behaviour (e.g., executable files that attempt to delete Windows system files, make multiple changes to the Windows registry, etc.) before their digital signature can even be added to the latest update of your local definition set.

Earthnet:
...I still don't understand which definitions are local and those that go up to the cloud (if any). Could you please clarify the process for me, especially that the current NIS an NS are playing on the same level?

The main advantage of cloud-based detection is that you will be scanning with the very latest set of definitions that are updated in real time as new malware is identified by Symantec.  The local SDS definitions are only updated a few times a day and are only delivered if an Automatic LiveUpdate is triggered so they always a bit out-of-date compared to the real-time cloud definitions. I don't know for certain that an up-to-date SDS definition set on your local machine would include every single malware signature used for cloud-based detection but I assume they're very similar. 

Don't forget that Norton uses other layers of protection like network-based Intrusion Protection (see https://www.symantec.com/security_response/definitions.jsp) so "traditional" file-based protection is only one component of your Norton real-time protection.
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32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2 * Firefox ESR v52.7.3 * NS Premium v22.12.1.15 * MB v3.3.1

Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Good.

If anyone else would like to comment, please do. I think that this thread is a wrap.

There are several comments when taken in aggregate appear to answer my questions, so my thanks to all who participated!

Best wishes,

Earthnet

"Every day is just another increment on the bell curve of life."
Kudos0

Re: What are the true differences between NIS and NS?

Hello Earthnet

Due to the late hour, I just wanted to provide you with a link to customer support just in case you might need them. It might be already  listed, but this one might be different..

www.norton.com/contactcs

Have a Good Night and

Thanks.

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